Saturday, November 1, 2008

Global Warning Update

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"Snow fell as the House of Commons debated Global Warming yesterday - the first October fall in the metropolis since 1922. The Mother of Parliaments was discussing the Mother of All Bills for the last time, in a marathon six hour session."

"the Climate Change Bill pledges the UK to reduce its carbon dioxide emissions by 80 per cent by 2050."

"60 per cent of the British population now doubt the influence of humans on climate change, "

13 comments:

MsAnthrope said...

Well here in the US we don't have any doubt about the influence of "one" human and his influence on climate change or his efforts to ruin the enviroment.

Source: Washington Post

The White House is working to enact a wide array of federal regulations, many of which would weaken government rules aimed at protecting consumers and the environment, before President Bush leaves office in January.

The new rules would be among the most controversial deregulatory steps of the Bush era and could be difficult for his successor to undo. Some would ease or lift constraints on private industry, including power plants, mines and farms.

Those and other regulations would help clear obstacles to some commercial ocean-fishing activities, ease controls on emissions of pollutants that contribute to global warming, relax drinking-water standards and lift a key restriction on mountaintop coal mining.

Common Sense Joe said...

I think that is a scare tactic. I doubt Bush could do anything that the Congress couldn't overturn with the agreement of the president.

MsAnthrope said...

"Once such rules take effect, they typically can be undone only through a laborious new regulatory proceeding, including lengthy periods of public comment, drafting and mandated reanalysis."

Congress is out of session right now.

Common Sense Joe said...

Well, Bush suspended for one year some of Clinton's last minute decisions. The new president can do the same, and the process can be renewed with the new Congress.

MsAnthrope said...

Do you have any idea how much damage these can cause in a year?
"One rule, being pursued over some opposition within the Environmental Protection Agency, would allow current emissions at a power plant to match the highest levels produced by that plant, overturning a rule that more strictly limits such emission increases. According to the EPA's estimate, it would allow millions of tons of additional carbon dioxide into the atmosphere annually, worsening global warming."

Do you know what a year's worth of dumping coal slurry waste into streams could do?

Bush has already tried to destroy our economy now he wants to destroy our planet.

Common Sense Joe said...

Well, I guess we will see what happens.

Anonymous said...

Joe, are you in the same camp as those that deny smoking causes lung cancer and that CFCs deplete the ozone layer?

Even if you're magically right, not polluting the planet by various means has both intrinsic and instrumental value.

Anonymous said...

You really have to be brain dead not to want to shift our energy to wind and solar, geothermal and tide...not only are they clean, non polluting relative to nuclear, coal, gas and oil but economically more viable, cheaper, much cheaper, long term per KWh to the consumer...furthermore shifting to these modern energy technologies will create millions of new jobs....this will only happen when we start taxing pollution and investing that tax revenue into clean energy and that will only happen when we elect people like Obama to high office...otherwise it won't happen and again we will get the government we deserve.

Common Sense Joe said...

I have always been one to clean up the earth. As a kid I went to the local creek and picked up trash, on my own, not part of "movement". One of the reasons I supported Nixon was because he established the EPA. But the correlation between carbon dioxide and global warming is not proven.

But to msanthrope points, I don't think there is any "regulation" that is harmful to the country cant be undone.

Coal is a major source of energy in the U.S. It does not need to be imported from countries like Iran. There is enough to last 250 years. It supplies cheap energy to 50% of the country. If you believe C02 is a problem, then the government should pay for the cost of converting all the plants to "clean" coal, instead of giving the money to consumers so they can buy a flat screen TV and DVD player.

MsAnthrope said...

"But to msanthrope points, I don't think there is any "regulation" that is harmful to the country cant be undone."

Tell that to the people and animals that will die BEFORE it is UNDONE!

Common Sense Joe said...

Which regulations are going to kill people in the next year?

Which animals are going to die? And if you are worried about animals dying, have you stopped eating meat, poultry and fish?

MsAnthrope said...

Try using some of that "common sense" I'm sure you can figure it out. And if you can't then try watching Animal Planet or the National Geographic Channel instead of just the news.

Common Sense Joe said...

Well, I can never read someone else's mind, and I wouldn't want to try.